
“There’s no question in my mind that at least some of these fetuses were live births,” Smith said. He testified that Planned Parenthood's definition of "fetal demise" was very loose and did not correctly identify when a child was actually dead. He commented that the removed limbs, a removed umbilical cord, a clamped cord, lack of pulsation in the umbilical cord, no breathing, and no movement were all definitions he had seen used by Planned Parenthood, but none of them completely ruled out a living fetus because they didn't include a heartbeat. He went as far as to say that some Planned Parenthood from the prosecution likely didn't know they were delivering live fetuses because of their definitions, and they were guilty of killing fetuses "by neglect." Click here to read more about Dr. Smith's testimony.